I was wondering

[redwarrior666]

With he fear that Obama will make gun ownership more and more difficult and with the run on guns are any of you stocking up. Personally I have 2 Ar-15's on the way and a Saiga shotgun and a working on aquiring the best cost for a couple thousand rounds of amo for each of them. Then there's the M1911 and the SKS. Obama is going to make it more expensive and very difficult to get Eastern Block amo. The 2nd amendment is being shit on as we speak. If you have a long gun or rifle that is not registered then they don't know about it therefore they aren't going to try to take it away when the time comes. Yes I'm paranoid!!!, I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.... one of my favorite T-shirt slogans...LOL

[rhonnin]

All of my guns were through private sales so none are registered. Sadly my AK-47 went up in a house fire 15 years ago so I have no worries for foreign ammo shortages.
I remember people having the same fears when Clinton took office and personally think it's an over reaction.

[BigBossMonkey]

I agree with Rhonnin, I feel people are overreacting.

Plus, if I were Obama, given the state of other things right now, guns would be the least of my worries.

That said I'm a proud gunwielding democrat /cheer

[Gunther]

NRA won't let it happen. They are the largest lobby in the country, if I'm not mistaken. I bought an AR15 the day before Clinton was inaugurated, but I wanted one anyway.

[Damaen]

to be difficult:

Indeed, ratified in 1791, the complete Second Amendment considered firearms essential for group defense of our communities: "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

In 1791, the United States had recently battled England for its independence; France owned the vast Mississippi watershed; and another war with England loomed. Yet, even in 1791, this right to bear arms was deemed conditional.

The nine justices should hone their grammar skills. The introductory absolute phrase ("A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,") preceding the main clause sets the condition for why the people collectively had a right to keep and bear arms: to be able quickly to muster their local "well regulated Militia," individually lifting smoothbores down from over their fireplaces so they could assemble and march off to defend "the security of [their] free State" against aggressors.

In 2007, however, the U.S. has a large, active-duty military establishment. Replacing 1791's militias, today's local "well regulated" National Guard units maintain armories stocked with government-supplied weapons, each pistol and M-16 assault rifle carefully inventoried upon its return after weekend and summer training periods. Citizen-furnished smoothbores? Long gone.

Given the Founders' original intent clearly contained in that introductory absolute phrase, the consequently irrelevant Second Amendment should be long gone, too.

Despite — or because of — that obsolete amendment, we now live in the most heavily armed society in history: The NRA lists as many as 65 million gun owners in the U.S. and 230 million guns in civilian possession.

We obviously have access to firearms. People facing potentially dangerous workplace confrontations can apply for concealed-weapon permits; buying a rifle to hunt deer poses no problem.

ive never understood why americans demand the 2nd be their legal excuse to possess fire arms. To me it breaks the spirit of the amendment. no one needs an ak-47 to defend their community. also, its not your job to do so anyway. its nowan excuse to own dangerous weapons that result in a fucktonne of deaths annually.

that being said "i own it because i want to" is enough for me. I dont care that you guys own guns. I liked shootingmachine guns. Its awsome. I just hate that amendment

thanks, random google search and 30 secs of work on my part!

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[Gunther]

What is not written there is the intent of the framers. At the writing of the Declaration and Constitution there was no Federal Military like we know today. People defended their homes with Daddy's shotgun (musket).

Even beyond that the Framer's of the constitution knew they were human and had human frailties. They knew that an government with absolute power could be corrupt. In that idea, the 2nd Amendment was written to insure that the people had the ability to retain firearms to over throw the government through a violent revolution should the need arise.

Now who is to say that the attitude and intent of the people who wrote these documents over 200 years ago are relevant today? the US Supreme Court. It is their job to interpret case law based on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Although the initial read of the 2nd Amendment appears as though it does not give the people the right to bear arms, it does if you understand the original creator's intent. The intentions of the creators of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution is taught in Constitutional Law Classes, which everyone who holds a Juris Doctorate of Law has studied.

[rhonnin]

What is not written there is the intent of the framers. At the writing of the Declaration and Constitution there was no Federal Military like we know today. People defended their homes with Daddy's shotgun (musket).

Even beyond that the Framer's of the constitution knew they were human and had human frailties. They knew that an government with absolute power could be corrupt. In that idea, the 2nd Amendment was written to insure that the people had the ability to retain firearms to over throw the government through a violent revolution should the need arise.

Now who is to say that the attitude and intent of the people who wrote these documents over 200 years ago are relevant today? the US Supreme Court. It is their job to interpret case law based on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Although the initial read of the 2nd Amendment appears as though it does not give the people the right to bear arms, it does if you understand the original creator's intent. The intentions of the creators of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution is taught in Constitutional Law Classes, which everyone who holds a Juris Doctorate of Law has studied.

QFT

[Damaen]

so you arm yourself just in case you need to overthrow the government? ;]

gah,i tried to spur conversation on this forum. almost worked! next time i am goign ot have to make outlandish claims.

[rhonnin]

gah,i tried to spur conversation on this forum. almost worked! next time i am goign ot have to make outlandish claims.

Religion is usually good for an argument.

[BigBossMonkey]

Gunther should start a militia, then we could all join and be covered under the 2nd amendment!