What a joke.

[Rangerr]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080411/ap_on_el_pr/obama;_ylt=Al5alMBB22X5_nL8vfcNGJdh24cA

This has to be the biggest piece of shit, vote whoring, piece of legislation that I have ever seen. Let it be know that I'm not knocking him cause of political ideaology (or lack thereof (oh snap, i made a funny)), but because this is just blowing smoke up my and every other voter/shareholder/homo sapien asses.

On a seperate note, what the fuck is with this push in congress to pass all this non-binding bullshit. They argue and bicker for weeks about legislation that doesn't actually do A N Y T H I N G. These people (both sides of the isle) need to be dragged into the street and shot in the back of the head for being completely incompetent and unwilling to stand for anything other than what their party tells them to.

[rhonnin]

It's all about appearing to do something positive without actually doing anything at all.

[redwarrior666]

These people (both sides of the isle) need to be dragged into the street and shot in the back of the head for being completely incompetent and unwilling to stand for anything other than what their party tells them to.

Agreed

[rhonnin]

In addition, I think that before anyone in government can vote themselves a pay increase it should go on a ballot.

[Gunther]

Mr. Obama, how does this useless POS legislation bring more jobs with appreciable salaries back into the US? Like you all have said, It does nothing. The article states that this is his attempt to garner a few more blue collar votes from Clinton back to himself.

I don't really care who gets elected, but they must have a plan to bring more jobs back into the US. stop all these MNCs from operating outside the US paying labor $1/hour or less and selling their stuff back inside the US for exhorbitant amounts of money.

Also, the candidate must cut spending as opposed to creating social welfare plans that will in effect hurt the very people they are trying to help. Someone has to pay for these huge white elephants and it isn't going to be the wealthy and it sure as hell isn't going to be the unemployed people. Instead of creating these lofty Health plans, get more people jobs with health insurance benefits. That is what this country needs. MORE JOBS!

This country has been going down hill since 1975 when all the factories shut down. Getting a job at Home Depot paying $12/hour is not going to cut it. They Must have jobs paying $17 - $30 an hour or more.

National healthcare plans will help the poor get health care. That is a great and wonderful idea. It helps them take care of their cough and their tiny abrasions as well as serious stuff. I say the first maladies tongue in cheek because I know ERs across the country will be congested with those patients while they are trying to treat the latter. '

If you know you can get paid and can get healthcare even if you don't have a job, where is the incentive to get a job? Self esteem? maybe for some. But this behavior will most certainly cause the old "American Dream" of making a better life for oneself go right down the shiiter. This will cause the blue collar workers to become shiftless bums with no job and someone is going to have to pay for these so called wonderful plans that are supposed to help them. Busted, it ain't going to work. No Jobs, No money. No Money, No healthcare plan. The wealthy people can always hide their money in some other country or some nice little tax loophole. They don't have to pay for it. I agree with you, they should, but since they have it and know how to hide, they will. Afterall, wouldn't you?


/rant off

[redwarrior666]

If you know you can get paid and can get healthcare even if you don't have a job, where is the incentive to get a job? Self esteem? maybe for some. But this behavior will most certainly cause the old "American Dream" of making a better life for oneself go right down the shiiter.

One word comes to mind Socialism where Obama and Hilary would love to take us...
These healthcare plans with others will bankrupt the country... we are already headed towards bankruptcy. My God when are people in this county going to open thier eyes and see the evil's that are before us.

[rhonnin]

If you know you can get paid and can get healthcare even if you don't have a job, where is the incentive to get a job? Self esteem? maybe for some. But this behavior will most certainly cause the old "American Dream" of making a better life for oneself go right down the shiiter.

One word comes to mind Socialism where Obama and Hilary would love to take us...
These healthcare plans with others will bankrupt the country... we are already headed towards bankruptcy. My God when are people in this county going to open thier eyes and see the evil's that are before us.

As with everything else I think it's a matter of perspective some of us see things like socialized health care as "evil" and others don't.

[Gunther]

People who see it as a good thing, only see the short term fixes. Those short term fixes seem great right now, but over time, the evil part of it takes over and then it becomes too late to fix it; all the damage will have been done.

[Recked]

I heard a rumor a year or so back that america was some 2 trillion dollars in debt to other countries (or some ungodly figure like that). Most of which i believe is owed to china.

But im not american so disregard what i just said

[Gunther]

You are correct, Recked. Most of our debt is to China. But our economy is no longer an "American economy" but a "Global economy". What one nation does affects all the others. Let's say for example China decides to dump all of its US treasuries on one day. Forget about the word Recession and let's focus on Depression. But that sort of a financial setback would ruin not just the US, but the entire Global economy for several years. The depression of the 1930's was nothing compared to what would happen then.

China is aware that their economy is tied to everyone else's in the world and hopefully is wise enough not to do that. I've read about how the US is being 'soft" with Beijing in regards to human rights, Tibet and the Dali Lama. Maybe they should, don't you think? Although it would be all nice and rosey for Beijing to treat their people with respect and to respect a religious leader who deserves to be a part of the people of China, it is not our decision. But since we are so far into debt with them, we really don't have much of a platform to demand anything from Beijing.